02:18:15 [QUIT] Geeky quit: Ping timeout for Geeky[209.19.41.134] 02:26:20 [QUIT] ink quit: Ping timeout for ink[ppp-207-214-212-21.sntc01.pacbell.net] 02:28:59 abi: polymer is a C++/ObjC/Smalltalk-based GUI OS project at http://www.polyvinyl.net 02:35:54 water joined #tunes 02:36:23 re ghyll, hcf 02:36:34 re 02:38:39 i don't think this meeting with tril is going to happen 02:38:55 water: you have an irl meeting with tril ? 02:38:56 i don't think he appreciates my situation at all 02:39:14 ghyll: tentatively 02:39:29 ghyll: the last time i met him was 15 months ago 02:39:39 and we only live 90 miles apart 02:39:56 'only' ? 02:40:07 yes, *only* 02:40:13 with straight roads that's perhaps only. 02:40:24 the roads are straight 02:40:40 I live in a country with no straight roads and a lot of fjords. 90 miles takes hours to traverse 02:40:47 i know 02:40:58 america is much different 02:41:12 water has spent some time in central america 02:41:42 where does tril live ? 02:41:49 in bellingham 02:41:54 i live in seattle 02:42:13 why did I think you were in SF ? 02:42:40 because you whois'd me when i was on the opn SF server? 02:43:28 (probably because I thought of the SF naval base from star trek V :)) 02:43:48 the ship i work on was at that base when the movie was made 02:44:02 does it show up in the background ? 02:44:12 i don't know and don't care 02:44:53 is the ship you work on driven by a nuclear reactor, or is the reactor you keep mentioning land-based ? 02:45:01 heh 02:45:15 the former 02:45:26 and it's two reactors, not one 02:45:44 sounds like a big ship. what kind of ship is it ? 02:45:57 an aircraft carrier 02:47:02 and yes i know the technical details of the ship they used in the ST movie 02:47:14 I take it you don't travel along with it ? 02:47:21 I wasn't going to ask :) 02:47:30 "travel along with it"? 02:48:26 since you've been regularily on irc for the last 6 months (at least when I've been here), I take it you're stationed in port, not on the ship. 02:48:48 no, the ship has been in the shipyard for a while 02:49:15 oh. but should I expect you to disappear for a long period in the future, then ? 02:49:23 yes 02:49:32 then i will have to use the mlist exclusively 02:50:21 this is such a heart-warming subject, ou know 02:50:29 s/ou/you/ 02:50:56 Ghyll steps away two inches to avoid the drip of acid in water's voice. 02:51:22 have you looked at C# ? 02:51:53 yes, it's occupies a rather unusual place on the musical scale 02:52:21 then there's of course the language i might tough someday 02:52:29 s/tough/touch/ 02:52:46 it's a political language, that's all 02:52:55 like java or c++ 02:53:45 i actually started "studying" c again 02:53:52 do you know any more about their IL than what Hejsberg hinted at in the developerworks interview ? 02:54:08 simply because it has an interesting view and limitation of view on memory 02:54:23 hum 02:54:39 i have a url you might appreciate 02:55:26 http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com/html/CampSmalltalk2.html 02:55:39 see the "monday" link 02:56:08 although it's more about .net than c# 02:56:34 the info there really scared me, though 02:57:16 the M$ tidal wave headed even remotely in my direction is just too much to handle psychologically 02:57:33 stupidity is a powerful force, you know 02:58:47 I know 03:02:29 [QUIT] hcf quit: Ping timeout for hcf[207-172-225-57.s57.tnt1.pld.me.dialup.rcn.com] 03:03:17 hm i wonder if miguel ever thought about what i discussed while he was on-channel a couple of months ago 03:09:16 the infamous miguel ? 03:09:25 yep 03:14:24 i don't know how much of it he was considering at the time, but the bonobo stuff reflects a lot of what i mentioned to him 03:22:29 bonobo is a very neat idea. 03:22:35 heh 03:22:40 but it isn't exactly new. 03:22:48 i was just about to say that 03:23:22 i was thinking about that stuff back in '94 03:23:45 do you have any references to those ideas that date back earlier ? 03:24:02 of course 03:24:09 there was ibm's SOM 03:24:24 the name is familiar. 03:24:25 and corba was forming around that time 03:24:34 system object model 03:24:40 hcf joined #tunes 03:24:40 yes. 03:25:05 which apple turned into.... hm 03:25:15 i can never remember that name now 03:25:38 but even before that, there was nextstep 03:26:06 and you can't forget the granddaddy of them all.... smalltalk ;) 03:26:45 smalltalk has simply been awesome in this respect. sadly, I've never used smalltalk, I've just been flabbergasted by reading about it. 03:27:08 smalltalk does have problems, mostly related to historical inertia 03:28:43 heh... 03:29:04 in smalltalk, in order to have numbers be objects, they have to be singletons of their own classes 03:29:34 that's a problem I've peeked at a bit, wrt java. 03:29:35 the same applies for every "value" or "literal" object 03:29:55 abi: fpsood? 03:29:55 fpsood is A Functional Pattern System for Object-Oriented Design at http://www-agce.informatik.uni-kl.de/~kuehne/fps/ 03:29:55 but I see that somebody else (forgot his name) has retrofitted a JVM with that. 03:30:57 abi: Bonobo is the GNOME architecture for creating reusable software components and compound documents at http://developer.gnome.org/arch/component/bonobo.html 03:31:44 funny.... apple had that and the newton 03:32:18 (which had newtonscript, which is notable on its own, but i digress) 03:32:26 u thinking of opendoc? 03:33:19 yeah that's it 03:35:00 i need to get my ideas together on slate somehow 03:38:20 i mean, what kind of thesis statement could be made about it? 03:39:40 hm bonobo is *exactly* what i was talking about 03:39:45 (to miguel) 03:56:51 is bonobo miguel's own implementation ? 04:01:39 [QUIT] hcf quit: Leaving 05:32:08 hcf joined #tunes 08:09:42 water joined #tunes 08:11:05 eihrul joined #tunes 11:53:08 _ruiner_ joined #tunes 11:53:43 _ruiner_ left #tunes 12:28:21 hcf joined #tunes 13:16:23 Brianna joined #tunes 13:53:25 billh joined #tunes 14:33:55 abi: hpp is a small Scheme system designed for preprocessing HTML at http://www.jaked.org/hack/hpp/ 14:39:40 eihrul joined #tunes 14:42:47 eihrul: do u check the logs for links? 14:44:03 not much anymore 14:44:08 should i? 14:44:35 since i'v been back, i'v been adding links to abi here 14:44:41 some may be of interest 14:59:27 ok 14:59:28 i'll take a look 15:09:29 mibin joined #tunes 15:28:28 billh left #tunes 15:47:42 abi: InTalk is at http://kiwi.emse.fr/JJG/INTALK/intalk.html 16:06:20 [NICK] kc-food changed nick to: kc5tja 16:26:58 hcf joined #tunes 17:02:31 BC joined #tunes 17:07:04 hello? 17:07:37 hiya bc 17:07:50 hi mibin! 17:08:48 are you involved in the tunes project? 17:08:53 i see that Slate is done - it looks like real good! 17:09:08 uh, "it looks real good" :) 17:09:24 no, just an interested party initially from last yr. 17:09:50 i'm actually working on my own os tho. 17:10:28 wow 17:11:21 i really like the work that's going on for TUNES. it does seem to get gaining good ground. 17:11:50 what about you? 17:12:25 well, i am not really involved in tunes 17:12:35 nor have an own os :) 17:13:29 i just like to follow tunes development, and the works of its members 17:14:23 me too. it's am impressive project. and they have code!! :) 17:15:01 i considered joining as a minor contibutor, but i have my heart set of my own os that i've been thinking up for years. 17:16:29 BC: what OS? 17:16:59 i'm calling it (for now anyway) VeeOS. i've talked about it here before a lil bit. 17:17:07 mind filling me in? :) 17:17:27 sure. 17:17:30 (and anyone else reading the logs) 17:17:35 ) 17:19:13 well for starters i'll drop the main feature buzzwords... soft-realtime, efficient, modular/OO, major abstraction, high security from the gnd up, supporting some form of parallel procesing. 17:20:12 well, there's a great deal of OSes like that in existence already :) 17:20:48 like what? 17:21:02 you checked the Review page on OSes? :) 17:21:08 yup 17:21:23 i haven't read about ALL of them .. :) 17:22:40 tell me what has all those feat's? 17:25:04 clementine :) 17:25:54 looking 17:27:02 where is it? it isn't on the oses.html page. 17:28:18 it is under lawyer shrouds until a month from now :) 17:31:47 oh 17:37:18 "Go!" looks interesting 17:39:17 yep 17:39:32 the author got hired by suntech (company working on clementine) 17:39:34 ) 17:44:29 wow 18:00:59 Brianna joined #tunes 18:04:31 well cya 18:05:50 [QUIT] coreyr quit: Ping timeout for coreyr[64.80.63.149] 18:25:22 BC left #tunes 18:41:11 Tril joined #tunes 18:41:11 [MODE] ChanServ set mode: +o Tril 18:45:27 [QUIT] Tril quit: BitchX: use it, it makes you bulletproof 18:46:36 Tril joined #tunes 18:46:37 [MODE] ChanServ set mode: +o Tril 18:47:52 [QUIT] MysticOne quit: I'm outta here! 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