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02:23:01 <_101> hi
02:25:32 <Fare> lo
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08:41:04 <water> hi all
08:41:10 <_101> hi water
08:41:22 <water> hi 101, have we met yet?
08:41:40 <_101> water, only a shtor discussion
08:41:47 <water> ok
08:42:03 <_101> water, you gave me a few links, and i told you that slate is very promising! :)
08:42:21 <water> ok i think i remember that
08:42:43 <water> speaking of which, i really need to get cracking on that
08:43:05 <water> and i also need to figure out why eihrul's getting wierd lately
08:43:35 <_101> water, go on! i'm waiting for something to play with, because my teoretical english is limited
08:44:05 <water> for the short term, expect a new slate.lisp
08:44:24 <water> hcf: you here?
08:44:31 <hcf> y
08:44:53 <water> what's that site where people post offers for open source coding projects?
08:45:21 <hcf> hmm, i can almost recall it
08:45:41 <_101> me too :)
08:45:46 <hcf> it should be listed on yahoo/dmoz under the biz open src dir
08:47:01 <water> don't see it
08:47:53 <_101> how come all of us forgot it... they chosed a very bad name! :)
08:48:44 <hcf> _101: well, they (as many sites do) didnt advert (and continue to advert) well
08:51:08 <hcf> does anyone recall any terms that could be used to re-find it?
08:51:26 <_101> i always remember sourceforge.net
08:51:33 <_101> but it's not that
08:52:05 <hcf> one of these? http://www.openave.com, http://www.sourcexchange.com, http://www.cosource.com
08:52:06 <_101> anyone on other channels? my irc program is buggying... i can't connect enywhere else
08:52:13 <_101> cosource
08:52:19 <_101> what a bad name! :)
08:52:42 <hcf> cant please everyone
08:52:43 <water> hcf: no, but those work
08:52:58 <_101> cosource is that
08:53:09 <smkl> water: free software bazaar?
08:53:14 <water> damn, it'll be difficult to find people who can do this particular job
08:53:21 <water> smkl: maybe
08:53:44 <_101> what it that must be done?
08:53:47 <water> maybe i should just post an offer to comp.lang.lisp
08:53:58 <_101> if it's a C++ job, i may do that
08:54:08 <_101> no it isn't :)
08:54:22 <_101> just dl'd list for BeOS
08:57:40 <_101> what is the slate.clisp for? can it be described in one or two words?
08:57:59 <water> interpreter and environment
08:58:13 <water> have you seen the old slate.lisp?
08:58:52 <_101> water, i've jusit dl'd one from tour home
08:59:07 <_101> is it the old?
08:59:17 <water> the only one IS the old :)
08:59:36 <_101> water, and you have some exmaple sources to feed that clisp file with?
08:59:52 <water> not any more
09:00:06 <water> that old clisp uses obsolete slate syntax
09:00:25 <_101> water, ok then i'll wait a bit for the new syntax
09:00:52 <_101> until then i've got some work on this: www.inf.bme.hu/~101/BeOS/Tracker there's a png file there
09:01:07 <water> ok
09:01:21 <_101> windoze will never have such a filemanager
09:01:24 <water> wow new toys for my beos partition :)
09:01:36 <_101> water, you use BeOS ?! :)
09:01:45 <_101> dl the pkg
09:01:53 <water> yeah the only reason i keep windoze is because of my hw problems
09:02:15 <_101> water, i play games...
09:02:25 <water> ok, there's that, too :)
09:02:38 <_101> i knew, i knew :)
09:07:45 <_101> water, are you from beos?
09:08:02 <water> i'm not using it right now, no
09:08:21 <water> my modem won't play with linux or beos
09:08:37 <water> once my cable modem gets installed, however, that will change
09:08:38 <_101> then you can't check that new tracker... :( i'm very proud of that toy :)
09:08:56 <water> the feature list is good
09:09:27 <_101> water, i've learned a lot more again about C++ with that few weeks of coding and i hate it more and more
09:09:37 <water> honestly, though, i'm waiting for a gui whose grammar is that of an HLL with higher-order functions
09:10:26 <water> (which is bascially what i made in '95)
09:10:31 <_101> huhh, here is where i must see some source code... :) but i promise i'll read about all those things like higher order functions
09:10:51 <water> just learn a language like lisp or haskell or ML
09:11:12 <water> and imagine having a gui that worked like that language
09:11:16 <_101> i've got the beos clisp now, i'll play with that
09:11:30 <water> k
09:13:20 <_101> gotta boot linux for the citrix client, i must check my classes...
09:13:29 <water> ok
09:13:40 <water> syx looks cool, btw
09:13:41 <_101> good bye, and keep up the good work!
09:13:53 <_101> water, just another toy... do you use it?
09:14:04 <water> no, looking at it, though
09:14:07 <_101> (even i don't use it nowadays... :|
09:14:41 <_101> top was the first program whit which i learned C++, it was 2-3 years ago
09:14:48 <_101> but top is a real good top
09:15:16 <_101> CU
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09:27:56 <hcf> water: http://skills.openave.com
09:28:08 <water> k
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09:32:34 <water> um, what am i supposed to do with that site?
09:33:12 <hcf> isnt it sorta what ur looking for?
09:33:39 <water> i guess i have to be a member to make an offer on their site
09:34:00 <hcf> oh
09:36:01 <hcf> a dylan thing, http://www.cosource.com/cgi-bin/cos.pl/wish/info/57
09:40:28 <water> i may as well just post to the newsgroups
09:40:47 <hcf> http://dmoz.org/Computers/Open_Source/Program_Contracting/
09:48:30 <water> this is frustrating
09:49:54 <water> "yes, i'd like to place my offer for an advanced dynamic language project hosted by another language that few use alongside your offers for java, c, perl, and database projects" :P
09:50:21 <water> yeah i'm sure i'll attract really great people that way
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09:54:19 <hcf> http://128.18.65.4/table/mail.htm#jobs
10:01:20 <water> hcf: why don't you handle this?
10:01:35 <hcf> ur buddy Andrew Cooke started a cosource thread in comp.lang.lisp that quickly died
10:01:42 <hcf> uhm, handle how?
10:01:48 <water> PR
10:03:06 <hcf> what would i do?
10:03:26 <water> dealing with people in the ways i suck at
10:03:41 <hcf> i suck at such too
10:04:08 <water> yeah but at least you could focus on i t, where i can't
10:06:40 <hcf> irc is the extent of my publicness, and that scares me at times (when hit results show the irc logs)
10:07:01 <water> heh
10:07:28 <water> what kind of hit results do these get?
10:09:24 <hcf> how do u mean?
10:09:42 <water> what does "(when hit results show the irc logs)" mean then?
10:10:38 <hcf> when results list several or high ranking hits on out irc logs
10:11:04 <water> where do you get to look at those?
10:11:13 <water> oh!
10:11:17 <hcf> they just show up
10:11:20 <water> whean SEARCH results
10:11:35 <water> that's awesome
10:11:37 <hcf> at times even when searching for non arcane poop
10:11:48 <water> that means people might stumble in here based on those searches
10:11:50 <hcf> awesome for u perhaps
10:11:54 <hcf> yeah
10:12:06 <water> so what?
10:12:36 <hcf> brb
10:12:42 <water> heh
10:16:52 <hcf> back
10:17:10 <hcf> the mlist(s) gets lots of hits too, including the old moose poop
10:17:28 <hcf> and ur paper of course
10:17:37 <water> i guess that makes sense, considering it's not dynamically-generated
10:22:36 <water> hm
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10:29:17 <water> re arbit
10:29:42 <arbit> hola
10:30:01 <ult> hmm
10:30:10 <ult> odd, is glibc scanf broken...?
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10:41:28 <water> hi
10:41:53 <water> have we met, diogenes?
10:42:05 <Diogenes> i don't think so.
10:42:31 <water> ok, is there anything i can do for you?
10:42:33 <Diogenes> saw the mention of the channel on tunes.org, thought i'd see if anyone was around
10:42:49 <water> cool
10:42:49 <Diogenes> not sure, actually
10:43:02 <water> well, we have a useful infobot at least =)
10:43:21 <Diogenes> given that, by design, unix isn't secure (enough), i've been assigned to look around for a replacement
10:43:31 <Diogenes> (work project)
10:43:31 <water> for whom?
10:43:34 <Diogenes> and tunes was one of the ones that caught my eye
10:43:47 <water> well tunes is hardly ready for deployment ;)
10:43:51 <Diogenes> for my boss.  he's security type, so he's paranoid, donchaknow.  :)
10:43:56 <Diogenes> yeah, i find that to be common
10:44:11 <Diogenes> the ones that look good aren't ready, and the ones that are ready have some major flaws.
10:44:13 <water> so what are you looking for?
10:44:38 <water> we're HLL-based, so it's a very non-traditional approach
10:44:44 <Diogenes> ideally, i'd like ACLs in the openbsd kernel/filesystem, but i'm not a fs hacker, so i'm forced to look for another OS
10:45:00 <arbit> what kind of application will this thing run
10:45:38 <Diogenes> and while most of what i'm reading about tunes goes way over my head (i'm a coder, not an OS person), it looks fairly nice
10:45:46 <Diogenes> what thing?
10:45:52 <arbit> your project
10:45:59 <Diogenes> oh
10:46:25 <Diogenes> we HOPE to find something to replace our unix boxes at work.  none of the servers or anything.  yet.
10:46:37 <Diogenes> our workstations, our main departmental machine, etc.
10:46:44 <water> which unixes?
10:46:50 <water> what apps do they run?
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10:47:21 <Diogenes> openbsd + linux, mainly.  they run the standard stuff we use to do our jobs.  database stuff, perl for me to hack on, email, etc.
10:47:47 <Diogenes> which is why EROS looked decent; a "unix compatibility" layer
10:47:57 <water> why not post an offer to the Openbsd mlist?
10:48:14 <water> there's also QNX
10:48:29 <water> which is more about realtime than anything else
10:48:29 <Diogenes> others have, and nothing has come of it.
10:49:01 <Diogenes> isn't QNX basically proprietary?  that's bad from a business AND a security standpoint.  at least that's the doctrine.
10:49:34 <arbit> what about freebsd or securebsd
10:49:34 <water> true, but qnx is apparently a very small os
10:49:50 <Diogenes> securebsd?  i have not heard of this.
10:49:59 <Diogenes> freebsd is (considered) less scure than openbsd.
10:50:08 <Diogenes> although i like their attitude better, personally.
10:50:29 <arbit> securebsd.com
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10:50:38 <Diogenes> thanks.
10:50:53 <arbit> it signs files on disk to make sure they havent been tampered with
10:50:56 <arbit> and some other stuff
10:51:03 <Diogenes> built in tripwire?  :)
10:51:08 <arbit> rite
10:51:12 <arbit> but more sophisticated
10:53:18 <arbit> i wonder if qnx has a database app
10:53:46 <Diogenes> wasn't it being marketed to webserver folks?
10:53:56 <Diogenes> if so, it'd have to, but i may be making that part up
10:54:54 <arbit> its used as a core for specific applications..
10:55:12 <arbit> like inventory systems, point of sale, medical devices, etc.
10:55:24 <arbit> but theres no reason it ant be a general purpose OS
10:55:47 <Diogenes> grrr.  sorry, work calls. 
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11:09:39 <water> heh
11:09:44 <water> i gotta go
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14:00:46 <Tril> anyone seen "kmo" [199.CVS/      README             Rules.make    config.sh  tunesrc.bespin
14:00:47 <Tril> INSTALL   README.admin       autoconf.zsh  html/
14:00:50 <Tril> ack
14:01:12 <Tril> anyone know who a user named "kmo" or "kmoteria" is, ip CVS/      README             Rules.make    config.sh  tunesrc.bespin
14:01:12 <Tril> INSTALL   README.admin       autoconf.zsh  html/
14:01:29 <Tril>  
14:01:29 <Tril>  
14:01:34 <Tril> anyone know a user kmo or kmoteria?
14:01:39 <Tril> ip 195.94.199.242
14:01:49 <Tril> they applied for Zope review access but didn't leave a valid e-mail.
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14:01:54 <Tril> I have no idea who it is.
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14:13:01 <arbit> oi
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16:56:08 <arbit> hem
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19:50:29 <arbit> ...
20:27:41 <arbit> anyone alive
20:29:02 <eihrul> no
20:29:17 <arbit> I-rule
20:30:19 <arbit> whatz up
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21:02:48 <water> re all
21:03:30 <eihrul> 'lo
21:04:00 <water> hey eih, how're things today?
21:04:48 <eihrul> Same as they are every day.
21:05:09 <water> any progress wrt slate.lisp?
21:05:49 <eihrul> no, homework
21:06:07 <water> ok
21:07:24 <eihrul> sleep
21:07:34 <water> heh
21:07:57 <water> i should let you know i'm looking for someone else to help coding matters
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21:08:04 <water> damn it
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21:08:22 <water> ??
21:08:22 <eihrul> geez, i said i was going to sleep, didn't i?
21:08:45 <water> sorry, i just wanted to say a few quick things
21:08:57 <water> forget it
21:09:22 <water> go!
21:09:41 <arbit> h0la
21:09:43 <eihrul> no
21:09:46 <eihrul> go for it
21:10:21 <water> basically i'm putting serious effort into well-made documentation for slate ideas
21:11:03 <water> and using those to make an offer for an open-source interpretive environment for slate atop another FP language like Lisp or HAskell or somesuch
21:11:21 <water> i.e. i pay, some other guy makes code
21:11:50 <water> to handle persistent session management, data structures etc.
21:12:26 <water> so basically you can focus on the more intricate job of the optimizing compiler when you have time
21:12:41 <water> ok?
21:12:53 <eihrul> well, what do you think i do during lectures? :)
21:13:03 <water> hell if i know
21:13:15 <water> try to figure out wtf i'm talking about wrt graph rewrite?
21:14:32 <water> if you have time to develop a new slate.lisp, say so
21:14:58 <water> if you can't make it in some reasonable time frame, also please say so
21:15:37 <water> (btw i bought some books on latex and such to help me write up better papers and diagrams and notation)
21:15:46 <water> (icuc)
21:16:10 <water> are you asleep now?
21:16:29 <eihrul> not yet
21:17:27 <eihrul> anyway, unless there remains more to be said
21:17:39 <water> there doesn't unless you have any responses
21:18:22 <eihrul> ok, i'm going to sleep then :)
21:18:39 <water> i'll take your commitment as "no", then
21:18:52 <water> good night
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21:26:13 <water> damn ftp timeouts
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21:51:14 <arbit> whoa its like past my bedtime
21:51:22 <water> heh
21:51:30 <water> how old are you, btw? ;)
21:51:38 <arbit> 23
21:51:44 <water> oh ok
21:52:06 <water> i think i lost the concept of bedtime altogether by age 15
21:52:19 <arbit> yah same here
21:52:47 <arbit> i have to be up early but ill prolly sleeplate
21:52:48 <arbit> oh well
21:53:02 <water> good night
21:53:10 <arbit> laytor
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