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Diktuon already has a search. 22:10:15 Who links to the TUNES site? 22:11:10 Dmoz.org has a section for TUNES :) 22:11:24 someone from the tunes list created it though 22:11:33 heh 22:11:41 A whole section, aye? heh 22:11:47 a lot of people link to or plagiarize the Review section 22:12:06 ie. copy the whole thing and claim it is theirs 22:12:19 heh 22:12:29 We sould bust out the smack down. 22:14:02 Hmm, I was going to wite a script to diktuon-ify things automagically... manual entry is tedious, no? 22:14:39 I would think 22:15:16 [QUIT] ree quit: changing servers 22:15:40 I don't know why I had an urge to tell you that, but I guess I did. heh. Kind of a stupid statment. (Much like this one. Recursivley.) 22:16:12 you said it because it goes with your suggestion to Diktuonify the IRC logs. 22:16:33 But I'm not sure what that would be like 22:16:58 Shrug, on a seond thought I don't think that is a good idea. Well, just slaping them in nodes at anyrate. 22:17:12 There has to be a good way to do it, but I can't think of one. 22:22:16 well, think of a good reason first... 22:22:22 then maybe a good way will appear 22:22:50 [QUIT] alterego quit: [BX] Man and mouse alike, both end up in pussy 22:22:52 Hmm 22:23:03 Well, the problem is concepts need to be extracted from the logs. 22:23:10 But that is human task 22:23:20 as I said, I dont know what a diktuon irc log would look like. could you elaborate? 22:23:25 But there are other tasks humans could do that are more productive. heh 22:23:34 Tril: Not really, becaue I don't know either. :) 22:23:36 you want a concept index? 22:23:47 Sure? Like you were looking for before. 22:23:56 A script that pulled main ideas from logs, and indexed. 22:24:16 that's not what I was speaking of today. I was thinking of a string search. 22:24:23 Not ideas... 22:25:01 Well, yeah. I was talking about a *long* time ago. 22:25:07 A long time ago I thought it would be nice to have someone go through the logs and pick important conversations and make links to them by topic. 22:25:12 Like two years. 22:25:13 Yeah 22:25:14 But, no one has time to do THAT. 22:25:36 Well, I have time, but I don't have the know-how or desire. :) 22:25:42 oops I did a no-no in Perl. 22:25:52 $1 is read-only, huh? 22:26:12 Mmm, Dunno. 22:26:23 I don't touch Perl with John Stienbeck. 22:26:57 I realize it's awful but I was forced to learn it for work and now it stuck. 22:28:36 Eeek! 22:28:38 Learn PHP 22:28:43 perl is like crack 22:29:25 uh, I'm not using perl for web stuff. afaik, php is web only 22:30:11 Yeah, it is. 22:30:17 I see... Python? 22:30:30 do you know python? 22:30:37 Nope 22:30:40 kc5tja does. 22:30:46 He likes it a lot, IIRC. 22:30:57 I don't do interpeted languages, so... :) 22:33:17 so you dont know PHP either. 22:33:56 in TUNES view, mouse clicks are an interpreted language. 22:34:03 (trying to become on topic?) 22:35:01 Well, hmm 22:35:11 Yes, I know PHP, but that is different :) 22:35:19 Elab on that TUNES thing. 22:35:39 every user interface is a programming language 22:36:02 interactively entering one command at a time.. 22:36:24 if you record a list of commands, or record mouse moves, you make a script/macro which is a program. 22:36:58 so, you can treat the user interface as interpreting the program that is coming from the user. 22:38:55 Hmm 22:38:59 So you could say 22:39:05 mouseDown is a command 22:39:14 err 22:39:15 Shrug 22:39:16 heh 22:39:36 well, sure, and depending on the mouse location , that establishes a different context for the meaning of the mouse down command. 22:40:51 the idea is that the user interface should not be restricted to users. Programs should be able to interact with the user interface directly 22:41:28 And vice versa... the programming APIs available should be accessible by the user directly, interactively, by whatever interface they prefer (CLI, GUI, speech) 22:55:55 [QUIT] ace quit: Ping timeout for ace[1Cust138.tnt2.vacaville.ca.da.uu.net] 22:58:04 Brianna joined #tunes 22:58:10 is that my script in action? 22:58:17 bri? 22:58:26 Nope 22:58:34 I do it manually 22:58:41 Your script didn't cover the perlbot buy 22:58:41 huh? I thought I fixed it.. 22:58:44 bug even 22:58:49 I fixed it later 22:59:04 PerlBot tends to disconnect, and not inform anyone 22:59:09 Umm, later when? 22:59:10 I added that into the script. 22:59:21 Aftter bri was dying again and my script wans't working. 22:59:31 Hmm, ok. I'll try it again :) 22:59:36 If the script won't work, tell me, and I'll look at it. 22:59:59 Ok 23:00:02 Dedicated man heh :) 23:00:24 If the bot is disconnected, and it writes "Disconnected" to the errorlog, the script will look in errorlog ever 30 seconds and it will restart the bot 23:00:36 also if the bot is not running. 23:00:44 first I just had the not running part, and didnt cover the disconnected one 23:00:58 now it should do both. if it doesn't work, I want to know, so I can fix my script. 23:01:09 Ok. 23:01:23 you run briStart.sh 23:07:13 if it still doesnt work then it's probably easier to fix the problem in perlbot 23:12:36 Yes 23:12:37 Well 23:12:43 I contacted the author 23:12:49 Not too helpful heh 23:13:15 "Yes, yes we know. Too buisy to fix it. Take this script, hope it works!" 23:13:22 Well, no, that was mean. 23:13:33 He was a lot nicer, and more willing to help then I made him sound 23:14:22 Ok, bed time 23:14:52 bye 23:50:09 lar1 joined #tunes 23:50:16 lar1 left #tunes 00:05:57 [QUIT] adu quit: Ping timeout for adu[1Cust138.tnt2.vacaville.ca.da.uu.net]