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09:03:05 <Alex[]> hi
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11:56:58 <water> hi atg
11:57:03 <water> what's news for you?
11:59:12 <AlonzoTG> Have you read about the M0 macrobe?
11:59:33 <AlonzoTG> There is a brilliant paper about why so many people behave so stupidly most of the time.
12:00:20 <water> nope, haven't heard of it
12:00:37 <AlonzoTG> On saturday I posted snippage from that paper to the tunes list.
12:00:38 <water> hey, do you know what a lisp machine is? :)
12:00:42 <AlonzoTG> IRC is annoying because it takes so long for people to log-in...
12:01:37 <water> (repeat)
12:01:49 <water> hey, do you know what a lisp machine is? :)
12:02:14 <AlonzoTG> =\
12:02:14 <AlonzoTG> I mean I end up sitting for days at a time in order to have only a handful of interesting conversations...
12:03:03 <Fare> macrobe???
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12:05:36 <_1BadDude> that was amazingly random...
12:05:39 <_1BadDude> I didn't crash.
12:05:45 <_1BadDude> I just disconnected with no warning...
12:05:51 <_1BadDude> netglitch...
12:05:51 <water> it happens
12:06:00 <water> chk logs plz
12:06:06 <_1BadDude> Hey: I just got a copy of "Snow Crash" for newtonmass. 
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12:06:37 <_1BadDude> hmm... got fare too.
12:06:39 <_1BadDude> =\
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12:06:57 _1BadDude has no logs...
12:07:09 <water> abi: #tunes
12:07:09 <abi> #tunes is [irc] channel for TUNES, logs at http://www.tunes.org/~nef/logs/ and http://www.tunes.org/files/irc/
12:07:11 <_1BadDude> I don't come in often enuff to have logs on this "lisp machine"...
12:07:12 <water> P
12:07:28 <water> http://fare.tunes.org/LispM.html
12:07:48 <water> read up
12:08:00 <_1BadDude> aah! excelent! 
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12:13:32 <_1BadDude> woah! this is truly awesome stuff!!!
12:13:44 <_1BadDude> I wish their marketing was broader and more agressive....
12:13:52 <water> yeah i got to work with Fare's on friday
12:14:06 <water> yeah that's what everyone says
12:16:43 <Fare> We're not capitalist enough. A true capitalist would say: "hey, these guys suck; they don't occupy the niche they could; let's go there"
12:16:58 <Fare> (now, a true capitalist wouldn't be hampered by stupid IP laws, either)
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12:17:25 <Fare> BTW, Merry LISPmas to everyone here!
12:17:37 <water> yeah i'd love to step on a lot of companies' turf and take it
12:17:44 <water> )
12:18:04 <water> a Merry LISPmas indeed :)
12:18:16 <Fare> or merry LispM-ass
12:18:58 <Fare> water: go back and get Tril to have the LispM working!
12:19:57 <water> physically?
12:20:10 <water> i can't until this next weekend :/
12:20:54 <water> i could call him i suppose... but he has a family and such today
12:23:46 <Fare> I guess he has.
12:24:04 <Fare> what did your cow-orkers say about the lispm?
12:25:35 <_1BadDude> Looking at the pages some more it seems that the trick to get them to operate in a multi-user safe manner is to implement and enforce strict name-space rules...
12:25:57 <Fare> that's only a trick.
12:26:19 <water> Fare: they were basically awed at the idea that such a thing existed and that i was familiar with the kind of thing it was
12:26:19 <Fare> and it is user-enforced, doesn't work for system stuff, etc.
12:26:43 <Fare> )
12:26:56 <Fare> what did you show to them?
12:27:26 <water> well i couldn't show them the thing in action
12:27:41 <water> but i showed them squeak and explained the relationship
12:28:16 <water> and also i explained what the high-end workstation was used for, particularly WRT the role as a supercomputer or mainframe meta-computer
12:29:16 <water> i just found it quite nice that they finally grasped some of the significance of what i do in my off-time that they find so arcane
12:30:00 <water> of course, i also explained in plain english what the tunes project is for, what kind of system it would be like, and how even the lisp system doesn't measure up
12:30:19 <water> which was rough, but i think they got it
12:30:27 <water> the gist anyway
12:30:40 <Fare> spread the Good News, my friend!
12:30:50 <water> heh
12:30:56 <_1BadDude> om
12:31:15 <water> i did that even before i joined tunes
12:31:18 <Fare> LISPmas is a particularly good time for it, too
12:31:23 _1BadDude has a plan that could put a tunes like system in most desktops and quite a few game consoles....
12:31:35 <_1BadDude> I just need to study some more shit...
12:31:41 <water> no kidding
12:31:55 <_1BadDude> the plan is to make a massively multiplayer on-line game...
12:32:17 <_1BadDude> The "client" will be just a LISP-like environment that will download the actual text of the client from the server...
12:32:21 <water> holy sh*t!!!
12:32:38 <water> Fare: left bank books is publishing "Against IP" in the states
12:32:43 <Fare> Hum. If only I could find an english-speaking reviewer as a jury for my PhD thesis, I could write it in english.
12:32:57 <water> Fare: that shop is a place just a mile from me... i go there fairly often :)
12:32:59 <Fare> abi: Against IP ?
12:32:59 <abi> wish i knew, fare
12:33:07 <water> Fare: see today's /.
12:33:22 <Fare> ok
12:33:34 <_1BadDude> The really sneaky part of it is that the game will only be half implemented at shipping but be designed in such a way that it will become the setting and environment for its own development effort...
12:33:51 <_1BadDude> which /. article?
12:33:56 <Fare> 1BadDude: get D.A.Halls' PhD thesis
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12:36:08 <_1BadDude> huh?
12:36:30 <water> it's pretty obvius which one
12:36:34 <water> +o
12:36:55 <_1BadDude> information Liberation: AIP?
12:37:37 <water> no, of course i mean the article mentioning the grinch :P
12:56:50 <_1BadDude> How does Brian Martin equate to D.A.Hall? It doesn't make sense Please tell me wheather this is a pen-name or something or where the article you are talking about is directly...
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12:57:10 <water> Fare's gone
12:57:14 [NICK] Fare61453 changed nick to: Fare
12:57:29 <water> well he *was* gone
12:59:20 <Fare> abi: D.A.Halls is David Alan Halls, whose PhD thesis does mobile code by metaprogramming Scheme with CPS transforms over a simple multithreaded Scheme servers network, or at /pub/food/papers/people/David.A.Halls/
13:06:31 <_1BadDude> um, thats a directory, not a host...
13:06:45 <water> samaris.tunes.org
13:20:16 <_1BadDude> sounds over my head... 
13:20:19 <_1BadDude> =\
13:21:10 <water> what were you expecting out of a phd thesis?
13:21:13 <FareAway> it's really easy to read
13:21:18 <FareAway> (for a phd thesis)
13:21:36 <FareAway> btw, I'm looking for an english-speaking jury member
13:21:45 <FareAway> so I can write my thesis in english
13:21:59 <water> heh i doubt i know anyone qualified
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13:23:28 <Fare> wow, a discussion about forth in news:comp.lang.lisp
13:27:51 water misses having a news server to use other than deja
13:51:59 <_1BadDude> its been a long time since I used usenet...
13:52:17 <_1BadDude> in the good old days I was a fiend but not since my computer crashed back in '97...
13:52:19 <_1BadDude> =P 
13:54:01 <_1BadDude> there is no matches for a subject line search for "FORTH" 
13:54:11 <water> who cares?
13:54:17 _1BadDude hurls a laser guided flaming woodchuck at Fare
14:06:07 <Fare> see messages by Alberto Moreira
14:06:22 <Fare> in a thread originally about CDR-coding
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14:15:37 <ree> oops
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14:27:49 <_1BadDude> eeek! there are about a hundred uv em. 
14:30:12 <_1BadDude> found it...
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14:38:50 <AlonzoTG> burp
14:59:23 <AlonzoTG> =\
14:59:53 AlonzoTG is listening to a MIDI of a tune from Chrono Trigger on his Sound Canvas. =)
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15:10:18 <water> geez
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15:33:52 <coreyr> about squeak
15:34:09 <water> shifting conversation are we?
15:34:14 <water> oh heh
16:03:39 <AlonzoTG> om
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16:44:00 <water> hey eih
16:44:36 AlonzoTG just got a new MIRC...
16:46:41 AlonzoTG launches a squadron of rabid gnats to annoy the crap out of eihrul .
16:47:06 <water> cut it out
16:47:30 <water> or at least try to have a normal conversation, please
16:49:26 <AlonzoTG> Well that's difficult, you see... When everybody is silent I have no choice but to be lame... You can't have a "normal" conversation with a brick wall, now can you?
16:49:32 <AlonzoTG> =P
16:50:08 <AlonzoTG> same goes for a bunch of idlers...
16:50:50 <water> that means converse *elsewhere*! :P
16:51:15 <water> go /join #linpeople or #slashdot or something
16:51:16 <AlonzoTG> but This is the most interesting channel on ALL of IRC! 
16:51:35 <water> you're not helping it at all
16:51:47 <AlonzoTG> what is #linpeople?
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16:51:59 <water> why don't you join and find out? :)
16:52:02 <AlonzoTG> monodimensional dudes?
16:52:05 <water> hey mibin
16:52:18 <water> no, linux people
16:52:34 <mibin> hi water
16:52:36 <water> better yet, try #kernelnewbies
16:54:16 <AlonzoTG> ooooh! 
16:54:20 <AlonzoTG> good flame targets! 
16:54:35 <water> ok that's it
16:54:39 <mibin> hehe
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16:55:07 <water> it's always the same with him
16:55:25 <water> hm i may as well spruce the place up a bit
16:56:07 [TOPIC] water: TUNES - http://www.tunes.org/ - Free Reflective Computing System
16:57:02 <water> anyway
16:57:16 <water> how's life, mibin? are you having a good LISPmas? :)
16:57:37 <mibin> well life isnt going too bad after all
16:57:50 <mibin> i am having a rather good Xmas
16:58:27 <mibin> the C declaration and type parser seems working
16:58:43 <water> k
16:58:44 <mibin> i dont know if and at what point this would be useful to Tunes tho
16:59:03 <water> probably nothing directly right now
16:59:27 <water> but anything Useful is relevant to tUnes
16:59:40 <mibin> yeah ... anyway i am using it to dynamically create C wrappers for arbitrary library functions
17:16:22 <mibin> well ... and dynamically load them too ;)
17:16:54 <mibin> > (load-c-function "j0" '(math) '("m") "my-j0")
17:17:06 <mibin> > (my-j0 2)
17:17:56 <water> hm
17:18:10 <mibin> perplex?
17:18:23 <water> no
17:19:44 <mibin> structs, unions, and enums are not yet allowed as arguments but pointers to them are
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17:35:48 <water> hey kyle
17:35:55 <Kyle> hi water
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19:31:39 <water> AlonzoTG
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19:55:06 <water> abi: fpsood
19:55:06 <abi> fpsood is A Functional Pattern System for Object-Oriented Design at http://www-agce.informatik.uni-kl.de/~kuehne/fps/
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