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10:42:53 <FareWell> gakuk
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11:38:49 <water> re
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11:41:05 <water> do you have something relevant to say?
11:53:10 water is working with Fare's lisp machine
11:53:27 <FareWell> no you're not. You're working on YOUR lisp machine now.
11:54:25 <water> heh
11:54:30 <water> =)
11:55:03 <water> i still haven't played with interlisp, though i downloaded it
11:55:12 <water> maybe i should show tril and the bespin gang
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12:00:32 AlonzoTG is interested in advanced architectures...
12:00:53 AlonzoTG needs to develop a box to host his OS and sell the package...
12:01:04 <AlonzoTG> Otherwise it would be too ekspensive. =(
12:02:27 <water> *what* architectures?
12:02:45 <water> *os* architectures?
12:03:01 <water> why would it need special hardware?
12:04:39 <water> (why am i even asking?)
12:04:50 <AlonzoTG> Consider the PC.
12:04:56 <AlonzoTG> Consider writing drivers for PC hardware.
12:05:16 <water> so don't write the drivers
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12:06:47 <AlonzoTG> If you can process these last two lines, you will instantly see why I will not only want to but NEED to ship my OS as its own self-supporting machine.
12:06:53 <AlonzoTG> =\
12:07:05 <AlonzoTG> fucking modem...
12:07:13 <water> what last two lines?
12:07:25 <water>   AlonzoTG has signed off (Have Nice Day :))
12:07:33 <AlonzoTG> =\
12:07:42 <AlonzoTG> not possible! the modem was fsckd 
12:07:48 <AlonzoTG> I said "
12:07:52 <AlonzoTG> Consider the PC...
12:07:56 <AlonzoTG> Consider writing drivers for the PC.
12:08:00 <water> shut up and go be a lamer in #linpeople
12:08:11 <AlonzoTG> why?
12:08:19 <AlonzoTG> This is a much more productive channel for me to be in.
12:08:38 AlonzoTG needs to restart windows...
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12:10:30 <AlonzoTG> Water, you are briliant theoretician...
12:10:35 <AlonzoTG> But you don't seem to get the picture...
12:10:54 <AlonzoTG> I mean the concrete problem that I am trying to solve here.
12:11:20 <AlonzoTG> I do not have an OS that will work for me. 
12:11:27 <water> no, i just don't care
12:11:41 <water> use beos or atheos or plan9/inferno
12:11:51 <water> all much better than linux
12:11:54 <AlonzoTG> I do not have a machine on which is convenient enough for me to be able to write a suitable OS on.
12:12:24 <AlonzoTG> Therefore I must build a machine that I can write my OS on. 
12:12:52 <AlonzoTG> Inferno is the free version of Plan 9+
12:12:53 <AlonzoTG> +
12:12:57 <AlonzoTG> ?
12:13:01 <water> why not invent your own new universe where everyone will want to build your machines?
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12:13:25 <AlonzoTG> Water, What's your problem with considering this?
12:13:53 <water> it's infeasible
12:14:12 <water> and you're obviously unnecessarily obsessed
12:14:22 <water> and it's irrelevant
12:14:29 <water> need i continue?
12:14:32 <FareWell> water: let go
12:14:39 <AlonzoTG> irrelevant how?
12:14:41 <FareWell> water: if he wants to, let him do it
12:15:04 <FareWell> AlonzoTG: what's your main concern?
12:16:40 <AlonzoTG> that is a difficult question that I will have to ponder for a few minutes...
12:17:50 <AlonzoTG> here's an attempt:  My main concern is that I feel increasingly left-behind by the Information Revolution.... 
12:18:07 <FareWell> ok. So where do you want to go?
12:18:27 <FareWell> some people are doing hardware/software co-design, btw
12:18:28 <AlonzoTG> And that I have no means of catching up because there are no operating systems available to me that meet my needs and treat me in the way that I insist uppon being treated, by my computer.
12:19:19 <FareWell> Al: you wouldn't know someone in the Chicago area to S&H some 90lbs + 70lbs parcels?
12:19:50 <AlonzoTG> ;)
12:20:02 <AlonzoTG> Mailboxes Etc. claims to have shipped a Cray once...
12:20:03 <AlonzoTG> =P
12:20:14 <AlonzoTG> Really, I don't want your machine.
12:20:29 <water> no you'd just be shipping it
12:20:51 <AlonzoTG> I just want to build my own...
12:20:52 <water> atg: why not relyon fluxos toolkit as a stopgap for now?
12:21:05 <AlonzoTG> Oskit?
12:21:14 <water> atg: how much $$$ do you have?
12:21:14 <water> abi: oskit
12:21:14 <abi> oskit is at http://www.cs.utah.edu/projects/flux/ or basically parts of BSD and Linux
12:21:16 <FareWell> or clementine when it's opensourced (if it ever is before Tunes is out)
12:21:52 AlonzoTG has little money that must be saved for personal expenses...
12:22:03 <AlonzoTG> my car is in the shop with $600 of busted parts...
12:22:22 <AlonzoTG> the axles are givin out. 
12:26:30 <AlonzoTG> Water: My obsession is neccessary; I need a machine. My vision is feasable. It is just another machine that will be simpler than many contemporary machines. And you have shown no evidence that any of my projects are irrelevant to my end goal. 
12:26:52 <FareWell> ATG: then join hardware hackers.
12:26:58 <FareWell> F-CPU.org ?
12:27:21 <water> atg: no they are irrelevant to THIS CHANNEL
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12:32:41 <water> hey hcf
12:32:44 <hcf> hi
12:32:48 <water> eihrul finally replied
12:33:19 <water> he's off irc for a while to concentrate, but he's not releasing code, which pisses me off still
12:34:01 <hcf> 'not releasing code' to u and/or the world?
12:35:47 <water> not releasing until its ready
12:35:55 <water> to anyone i suppose
12:39:31 <AlonzoTG> Exceptional hardware design can only come from exceptional theoretical background, This is the place for theory therefore the best place to discuss the higher-level concepts in hardware design.
12:39:48 <AlonzoTG> I have had a bit of a falling-out with the f-cpu people...
12:39:58 <AlonzoTG> I have been on their list since the first few months..
12:39:59 <water> well i discussed kb design yesterday with Fare a little
12:40:12 <water> you fall out with everybody
12:40:21 <AlonzoTG> =(
12:41:27 <Fare> ain't there a team at MIT doing hardware/software codesign?
12:41:58 <Fare> there are also people at Intel doing formally-verified processor design
12:42:26 <Fare> Al: seen the MISC stuff?
12:42:44 <AlonzoTG> What I did over at f-cpu was attempt to improve the way the project was managed... (nobody likes managment suggestions)>
12:43:11 <AlonzoTG> I have no idea what the MIT or Intel people are doing because they are either too elitest or propritary respectively. =\
12:43:35 <AlonzoTG> Yes I have been following "the misc mailing list", I have seen your posts on it and have even made some of my own.
12:44:02 <AlonzoTG> They are defenitely further along than the F-CPU clowns but still not nearly far enough.
12:44:03 <Fare> do, yes I remember that now
12:44:31 <Fare> there are also people at transmeta, or a lot of free cpu cores.
12:47:39 <AlonzoTG> Yes...
12:47:56 <AlonzoTG> Should I continue this thread here or should we move to the #f-cpu channel?
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17:05:53 <water> re
17:06:06 water is on the macivory host machine
17:07:19 <Fare> congrats, water!
17:07:40 <water> heh
17:07:50 <water> no not from the lispm itself :/
17:08:06 <water> although hold on ... :)
17:10:28 <water> hm gotta configure the gateway
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18:39:59 <water> re
18:40:24 <water> setting up the gateway is non-trivial :/
18:40:31 <water> or rather
18:40:46 <water> finding out *how* to do so is non-trivial
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20:23:40 <water> woohoo!!!
20:23:54 <water> the lispm now trusts the network :)
20:24:12 <water> and whatever specific off-network sites we add
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20:25:01 <water> so telnet is up
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21:06:13 <water> 8)
21:06:22 <water> X sessions 8)
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