IRC log started Sun Mar 14 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0314 ωνω NetSplit: varley.openprojects.net split from asimov.openprojects.net [12:53am] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [varley.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: varley.openprojects.net asimov.openprojects.net ωνω Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #Tunes ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #Tunes ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes ωνω SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) π Fare/#Tunes is back ωνω Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.cx] by asimov.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.cx]) ωνω Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success ωνω Use /Server to connect to a server ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω BitchX: For more information about BitchX type /about ωνω Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES ωνω Your host is asimov.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 ωνω This server was cobbled together Sat Jan 23 1999 at 21 33:38 EST ωνω asimov.openprojects.net u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 dioswkfcg biklmnopstv ωνω [local users on irc(1)] 100% ωνω [global users on irc(1)] 100% ωνω [invisible users on irc(0)] 0% ωνω [ircops on irc(0)] 0% ωνω [total users on irc(1)] ωνω [unknown connections(2)] ωνω [total servers on irc(1)] (avg. 1 users per server) ωνω [total channels created(0)] (avg. 0 users per channel) !asimov.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 20 (19 clients) ωνω Mode change [+f] for user TUNES ωνω Mode change [+iw] for user TUNES ωνω TUNES [tunes@bespin.cx] has joined #tunes ωνω [Users(#TUNES:1)] [@TUNES ] ωνω Channel #TUNES was created at Sun Mar 14 10:32:32 1999 ωνω BitchX: Join to #tunes was synced in 6.952 secs!! ωνω Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #TUNES ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #TUNES ωνω ServerMode/#TUNES [+n] by devlin.openprojects.net ωνω ServerMode/#TUNES [-o TUNES] by devlin.openprojects.net ωνω NetSplit: fontana.openprojects.net split from tolkien.openprojects.net [06:50am] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [fontana.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: fontana.openprojects.net tolkien.openprojects.net ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #TUNES ωνω Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.cx] by asimov.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.cx]) ωνω Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Your nick [TUNES] is owned by tunes@bespin.cx ωνω PING Register first.(from tolkien.openprojects.net) ωνω BitchX: For more information about BitchX type /about ωνω Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES_ (from tolkien.openprojects.net) ωνω Your host is tolkien.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 (from tolkien.openprojects.net) ωνω This server was cobbled together Sun Jan 24 1999 at 15 50:17 EST(from tolkien.openprojects.net) ωνω tolkien.openprojects.net u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 dioswkfcg biklmnopstv ωνω [local users on irc(9)] 4% ωνω [global users on irc(81)] 36% ωνω [invisible users on irc(147)] 64% ωνω [ircops on irc(12)] 5% ωνω [total users on irc(228)] ωνω [unknown connections(0)] ωνω [total servers on irc(30)] (avg. 7 users per server) ωνω [total channels created(63)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !tolkien.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 19 (16 clients) ωνω Mode change [+f] for user TUNES_ ωνω Mode change [+iw] for user TUNES_ ωνω TUNES_ [tunes@bespin.cx] has joined #tunes ωνω [Users(#Tunes:4)] [ TUNES_ ] [ Fare ] [ TUNES ] [ Tril ] ωνω Channel #Tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 ωνω BitchX: Join to #tunes was synced in 11.125 secs!! ωνω SignOff TUNES: #TUNES (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.cx]) ωνω smkl [sami@ppp19.dial-in.verkkotieto.com] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff smkl: #TUNES (bvrrrbrrrlll) ωνω lar1 [Avzman@208.255.163.132] has joined #tunes ωνω lar1 [Avzman@208.255.163.132] has left #tunes [] ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (Ping timeout for _QZ[p0wer.qzx.com]) ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes ωνω NetSplit: carter.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [05:04pm] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [carter.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: carter.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #Tunes ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250114.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes anyone here? <_QZ> yes You familiar with freeBSD or any of its relatives? 06:20pm <_QZ> i have an account on a machine that has fbsd on it nevermind :) You run Linux on all your machines right? I was looking for something like SVGAtextmode, for fbsd. <_QZ> i know jack about svga shit <_QZ> just get accelX and use X stuff 06:30pm maybe I'll give in and get a new motherboard actually I could use a new computer ls wrong VC :) <_QZ> if u were in X then shit like that wouldnt happen :) 06:40pm I knew you'd say that Alt-Fkeys is better than Alt-fucking-TAB besides, fbsd has a good back-scroll in its VT's <_QZ> rxvt has a better back scroll 06:50pm X is slow <_QZ> no its not <_QZ> yer machine is slow even windoze is faster than X X was slow when my machine was top of the line! only good thing about X is, it's free 07:00pm gotta go ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) 07:10pm ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250104.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250104.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (Ping timeout for tcn[cci-209150250104.clarityconnect.net]) ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250104.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) !gibson.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT saberhagen.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Please welcome fred.saberhagen.openprojects.net in Oxford, UK! !lilo:*! Perhaps I should make sure it will connect automatically. !lilo:*! bingo :) ωνω FLT66 [bob@hhwks02.haggard.cs.wwu.edu] has joined #Tunes ωνω FLT66 [bob@hhwks02.haggard.cs.wwu.edu] has left #Tunes [] !lilo:*! Jordan is unavailable due to a routing problem thru Optus in Australia !netgod:*! eek !brin.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT jordan.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo !lilo:*! so it appears jordan is back, coolness !doogie:*! appearances have been decieving, esp. with this network. :) !spice_huh:*! Having problems with an etherswitch !spice_huh:*! seems smoother now !lilo:*! it looked like an Optus problem !spice_huh:*! Nah - etherswitch down, bgp stops !netgod:*! cool, spice is flapping :-) !lilo:*! well, back up then, good !spice_huh:*! I've finished flapping now [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0315 TUNES: No such nick/channel [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0315 TUNES: No such nick/channel ωνω NetSplit: carter.openprojects.net split from koontz.openprojects.net [12:33am] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [carter.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: carter.openprojects.net koontz.openprojects.net ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #Tunes ωνω SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) ls 12:20pm ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes hi lo 12:30pm ωνω SignOff yery: #TUNES (Read error to yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]: EOF from client) ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250087.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes fare, tril, you here? 01:00pm guess not ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) 01:10pm ωνω hcf [nef@me-portland-us114.javanet.com] has joined #tunes ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes hoy _QZ <_QZ> hcf: ltns ltns? <_QZ> long time no see oic yes, quite <_QZ> where ya been? old isp died <_QZ> ohh that sucks whats new w/ u? 04:20pm <_QZ> not much, just leaving to go buy a gun laser <_QZ> well im gone, cya π _QZ/#tunes is GONE ( gone ) 04:30pm ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us114.javanet.com]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.cx] has joined #tunes ωνω K-Class [eureka@pm611.isomedia.com] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff K-Class: #TUNES (sl33p) ωνω SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0316 TUNES: No such nick/channel [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0316 TUNES: No such nick/channel ωνω hcf [nef@me-portland-us222.javanet.com] has joined #tunes anyone awake?  nope rrrrr zzzzzzzz 05:50am !sterling.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT vinge.openprojects.net 8005 from ^lilo ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω hcf [nef@me-portland-us845.javanet.com] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω hcf [nef@me-portland-us1024.javanet.com] has joined #tunes ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250107.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes hoy tcn hey woooohhoo Almost done with my floppy driver whers ur ITS review? 01:40pm http://www.tunes.org/~tcn/its.html what's w/ geekman? heh geekman? I see all these "Nickserv killed geekman" messages do I /set umode -s? idk You ever play MUD's? nope why do u ask? we were talking about it on the ml I played a little, a long time ago some people are addicts :) yeah, i scanned that is the its rev the only new thing on ur hp? uhh s/new/new or updated/ oh yeah, retro.html is also new I should put dates in the index page dude, dates r worthless if i cant remember when i last visited ok, I'll just say I update it alot :) 01:50pm that should be obvious http://www.tunes.org/~tcn/retro.html replaces http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages5/tcn/hack/retro.html ? yeah, I'm moving stuff onto bespin π Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 333 hrs 13 min 0 secs or maybe I'll just mirror it hello abi clarityconnect doesn't let you telnet or anything.. just ftp. And it's a mac.. ack. abi, hi hello, Tril hey tril yo Tril: abi's hello reply happens ~30% of the time (in case u care) abi: que pasa? no idea, tcn hello abi hello abi hello abi hello, Tril abi: que tal? que tal is spansih for whats up haha oh, I thought that i typed it in the wrong syntax. you supposed to say "nada" tcn: yes KUT is aborted the faq looks ok I think I'm gonna go with SGML like fare said, though If it gets to be as big as, say, the freebsd faq, it'll need sections & crap ωνω SignOff Tril: #TUNES (BRB) ωνω Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #TUNES better the old one looks professional, it's just doesn't answer any _frequently_ asked questions :) 02:00pm did core talk to ultima b4 updating the rev links? I dunno I thought hcf you already checked all the links? Tril: yes i did core would of known this if he had bothered to talk to the "head" of the rev project i think core was spacing. But ultima should have posted them. I think the problem is too many people did stuff without posting to the tunes list. either you, or ultima should ahve posted to tunes that the review links were fixed, and core definitely should have posted to tunes that he was PLANNING to do some changes to review actually i think you posted to review@tunes.org. but there are like 3 people on that iv never posted People should just DO things, instead of waiting to see what everyone else thinks (unless they're gonna do a half-assed job) oh well ppl should also check w/ the project head related to what theyre doing this relates to a suggestion i had a while back, an admin ml as in project "leaders" and contrib'ers etc well since we dont have one, the main list should include those topics. if the main list gets flooded with admin posts then we can split it How about a directory on the server with a list of projects & stuff? you mean a web page? the main list wasnt getting flooded b4, but u made a bunch of lists More like we have in ~bineng/html well it seemed flooded to me at one time I certainly couldnt read all the posts The lists should be for ideas, not administrativia and Fare was more behind than u, wasnt he? i think he still is? fare is usually behind. i was just behind that one time. He read that MOOOS thing I posted if u and Fare wer behind b4, and u both read all the MLs, u shouldnt be any less behind 02:10pm college killed the traffic, and thus killed the need for so many lists hehe, wait a month or two tcn: go for it(list of whatever) hcf:You think tunes is disorganized? who cares? if there is no code/docs rev project pages =~ docs Fare said he was reading Hackers.. I've been re-reading some of that lately too.. it's inspiring which hackers? Steven Levy's yes, quite good I read that ITS manual, too :) tcn: did u find anything on WAITS? hcf: yeah! Uhh.. a little bit :) It stands for W-something A-something ITS :) all i know of so far is, http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=waits&action=Search has ther been any word from ultima? such as, on his version of the rev pages No I haven't heard anything from him since he said the SQL database would be up in 2-3 days, which was like 1 month ago :) oh, so WAITS is an alternative to ITS, not a version of it i'm mirroring debian 2.1 to bespin now, then i'm going to burn some cds, and setup a copy of bespin at home under debian, make sure it works, then swap out the old distro tcn: supposedly so he will get his sql Tril: You sure you want 2.1? ynot you think I should use potato? No! 02:20pm I've been using 2.1 for a couple months now, and they keep changing it on me :) I go to add a package, and it tries to send me 50 megs of updates :) but it was released last week, and is now the stable release. Meanwhile I'm evaluating Freebsd to see if I should abandon linux altogether oh it's stable now? cool In that case, I'll upgrade, if they promise not to make any more drastic changes abi: review updates are at http://www.tunes.org/~nef/rev/ gotta go... π Tril/#TUNES is away: (aFK) [BX-MsgLog Off] tcn: is http://www.tunes.org/~tcn/its.html a ~permanent link? yeah k, il add it to my links list I didn't wanna put all my ITS stuff in the Review page, because I'll expand it if I find more oooh I want a space cadet keyboard :) π hcf/#tunes too I could type front-L instead of lambda 02:30pm I should set up an ALT key for greek letters in Retro :) it wouldnt hard w/ linux just set a key combo to exec the kbd map thing hehe.. so that explains EMACS being so weird I'd like to set up Retro so you can type in integral symbols and stuff like that, just like you would on paper well, time for band practice See ya'll oh, using a digital pen ;) ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) 02:40pm there was an article on ITS on the old LispOS page 03:10pm ωνω rukmini [rukmini@ppp-209-071.california.com] has joined #tunes For your language review subproject, the following may be of interest: http://kerkis.math.aegean.gr/~dspin/pubs/thesis/PhD/thesis.pdf It includes a brief synopsis of many (multiparadigm) languages. 03:50pm ωνω SignOff rukmini: #TUNES (Ping timeout for rukmini[ppp-209-071.california.com]) ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us1024.javanet.com]) π Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 3 hrs 4 min 26 secs >>> You(TUNES_) are now known as TUNES ωνω BitchX: Unknown command: LOG ...........................LOG ON .......................LOGFILE 1999.0314 [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0317 IRC log ended Tue Mar 16 17:29:42 1999