IRC log started Sun Sep 19 00:00:01 1999
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0919
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<lar1> Hey
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<lar1> Hola hcf
<hcf> hi
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<hcf> oops
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<lar1> Hye eihrul!
<lar1> I did it I did it I did it!  I made the confirm quit thing for bfe!  And it works!  I am so proud of myslef!! :)
<eihrul> cool...
<eihrul> the EFLAGS display looks nice as well
<lar1> Cool
<lar1> How do I get my changes over to liar?  Should I just send him the modifyed files?
<lar1> Mabye make a patch :)?
<eihrul> just wait till he comes on irc and send him a patch or tarball of the stuff you changed
<eihrul> i've just been sending him tarballs
<eihrul> || individual files
<lar1> Ok
<lar1> I changed 3 files, main.c, globals.c, and globals.h
10:00am
<eihrul> i wonder if i should put up a page on emk...
<lar1> emk?
<eihrul> even though it isn't quite finished yet
<eihrul> my microkernel
<eihrul> but then i'd have to find a license for my code first before i put it up
<lar1> Ohh ;)
<lar1> You should put it up
<eihrul> what license should i release it under?
<lar1> Hmmm
<lar1> I don't know, I have never accually read the gpl
<eihrul> i dunno if i like the GPL
<eihrul> i was thinking something more BSD-like
<eihrul> because i don't like how GPL forces you to use other GPL code
<lar1> Forces to ues other GPL code?
<eihrul> or rather, GPL code can only link with other GPL code
<lar1> Whats the difference between the GPL and the LGPL?
10:10am
<eihrul> not really sure...
<eihrul> or i dunno, should i just release it public domain?
<lar1> Public Domain could work
<eihrul> i just want something protecting me from liability :)
<eihrul> hrmm... i wonder about Perl's license
<lar1> YAPL!
<eihrul> sure, because they all suck
<lar1> Thats true
<eihrul> hmmm, perl's license doth suck
<lar1> The GPL fried my brain
<eihrul> indeed, very icky
<eihrul> i want a *small*, very liberal license
<lar1> I don't understand some of it... have to read the paragraph over and over
<lar1> Yes, that would be nice
10:20am
<eihrul> hrmmm, browsing freshmeat
<lar1> You have I have they have source.  No warranry.  HRMM!
<lar1> Perhaps that needs a little cleaning around the edges...
<lar1> On to you, on to them , on to me doth the 'source' or this manifestation of art 'program' reside.  Provided to you, to me, to them is not a form of 'warantry'.  In any formation.  Grunt!  Grunt!
<lar1> Yes, that seems much better
<eihrul> i'll just rip half of the BSD license
<eihrul> or rather the disclaimer part, not the copyright bs
<lar1> Good deal
<lar1> Then add the JSL!  Jon Software Licence, version 2 as seen above! :)
<eihrul> i'm just gonna call it eihrul's license, EL
<lar1> Ok
10:30am
<eihrul> there, my license is gonna be easy... just two conditions :)
<eihrul> good?
<lar1> Yes
<lar1> I like it
<eihrul> now to make a page...
<lar1> I need to go, gotta shed to build :)
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10:40am
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<liar> eihrul: u download bfe today?
12:50pm
<eihrul> nope...
<liar> it has changes
<liar> changed
<eihrul> i saw the screenshot though, you added tabs
<liar> ya like?
<eihrul> i'll go download it...
<eihrul> i like the EFLAGS display though
<liar> hmm i should put an eflags label on that
<liar> gotta eat brb
<eihrul> liar: i put up what's finished of my os source code if you wanna look
<liar> where?
<eihrul> http://www.lvdi.net/~lee.salzman/emk/
<eihrul> it's not too much to look at, but it's code :)
01:00pm
<eihrul> cool, BFE redraws correctly while running now
<liar> yup
<liar> the reason it didnt redraw ws because it had locked up in fscanf
<liar> will emk extract to its own dir?
<eihrul> yep
<eihrul> if you don't believe me, tar -tzf it
<liar> u dont have events
<eihrul> just messages and waiting for interrupts
<liar> events eliminate interrupts
<eihrul> i dunno how i'd implement asynchronous events easily though
<eihrul> other than having a thread explicitly mention that it's waiting for an event
<liar> ya
<eihrul> then have one sent to it (which is the purpose interrupt_wait () will have)
01:10pm
<liar> my events are just lists tha threads hook messages to or block on and can be triggered by signalling them or an interrupt
<eihrul> well interrupt_wait () is nice because of it's simplicity
<eihrul> the thread is blocked, then woken up when the interrupt happens :)
<liar> can u hook more than one thread to an int?
<eihrul> i was thinking about that...
<eihrul> but that would severely raise dispatch time
<eihrul> so i was just going to allow one thread to wait on a specific interrupt for now
<liar> and what kinda latency do u have between int trigger and the thread being run
<eihrul> that way i can just context siwtch into it directly
<eihrul> the whole point of having only one thread waiting on it will be to decrease interrupt latency :)
<liar> so u context switch immediately?
<eihrul> what's going to happen is this:
<eihrul> the interrupt triggers the handler, which then puts any threads waiting on it back into the scheduler
<liar> do u clear the int controller before switching?
<eihrul> then it context switches back to the whatever thread is ready to run
<eihrul> which, if the waiting thread is high-priority enough
<eihrul> should be the waiting thread
<eihrul> i don't have any of that code written yet :)
<eihrul> just what you see there
<liar> im not looking at yer source
<liar> just yer api
<liar> but u should clear the int controller before u switch to the thread so higher ints can come thru
<liar> u also need some way to know if the current thread is an int and what level it is so u dont preempt it with a lower int
<eihrul> well... that's all going to be handled very simply:
<eihrul> as i said, the thread waiting on the interrupt is just set ready to run in the scheduler
<eihrul> it will only run immediately if it is of higher priority than other threads
<liar> do u make the switch immediately or do u return to the current thread and context switch to the int thread on the next timer tick?
01:20pm
<eihrul> i'll do it immediately, i guess
<liar> and what is emk_clock_get?
<eihrul> i'm not quite sure yet :)
<eihrul> it was going to return the number of clock ticks since boot or something
<liar> i will have a service do that in brix
<liar> if kernel memory is open for all threads to read then u can have all yer kernel info functions done by a service
<eihrul> but then i have to put things at specific locations
<eihrul> when it would take about 4-5 lines of code to just return the number of ticks
<liar> thats too bad :)
<eihrul> actually, to reserve a page for that purpose
<eihrul> would take up more space than the 4-5 lines of assembly
<eihrul> so :P
<eihrul> because then you have to page align the section
<eihrul> or reserve specific areas of memory for it
01:30pm
<liar> oops, i forgot to deactivate that input field behind the quit button abd i just found it when i was tabbing between inputs :)
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01:40pm
<AlonzoTG> BLONK
<eihrul> blink
<liar> ok memory will be done soon
01:50pm
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<eihrul> are my config parsing procedures working?
<liar> i havent even linked them in yet
<liar> lemma do that now
02:10pm
<liar> no compile errors on them
<liar> ugh
<liar> confgi_read wants me to open the stinking file
02:20pm
<liar> it didnt read the stack values
<liar> .bferc = { STACK 16 4 } and i got 0,0 when reading them after config_read()
<eihrul> i'll take a look in a sec
<liar> u want the source?
<eihrul> yah
02:30pm
<eihrul> hrmmm
<liar> what
<eihrul> i had a bug in my code i didn't notice before
<eihrul> but i don't think it was what was causing the problem
<eihrul> doh!
<eihrul> hrmm... this is not good
<liar> if it finds a stack entry it stops parsing the file
02:40pm
<eihrul> okay, fixed
<eihrul> i'm going to rewrite config_read quickly
<liar> ok
<eihrul> ok, rewritten, testing
<eihrul> there ya go
<liar> kewl
<liar> did u test to see if it parsed strucs/lists correctly?
02:50pm
<eihrul> nope, it handles stacks though :)
<liar> k
<eihrul> plus i don't have any real way to test if it parses structures or lists correctly
<liar> a for loop that printfs them
<eihrul> apparently it fucks up :)
<liar> heh
<eihrul> ah, i had a stray ;
<eihrul> right after a while
<eihrul> that is what C is famous for no?
<eihrul> one character bugs
<liar> thats what i hate about C
<eihrul> had a while (cond); do; where i meant a while (cond) do;
<eihrul> ok, it's reading correctly... based on printf()s
<eihrul> i'll send you this one
<liar> kewl
03:00pm
<AlonzoTG> GLONK
* AlonzoTG/#tunes is getting Really Close Now to actually coding his OS
<AlonzoTG> =P
<liar> we dont care
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<liar> do u terminate yer strings?
<liar> the structures names
<eihrul> *str = '\0';
<liar> oops my fault
<eihrul> er wait... damn, i need to fix something :)
03:10pm
<eihrul> structure and stack both start with 'st'
<eihrul> now i have to check for an 'a'
<liar> heh
<liar> i have a stack, struc and list in .bferc and it says nr_strucs=0
<eihrul> send me your .bferc
<liar> { STACK 16 4 }
<liar> { STRUC sys_data 0x03000 2 d_sys_iobitmap 4 d_sys_ksemaphores 4 }
<liar> { LIST io_list 0x0f000 512 2 dn_io_base 4 dn_io_ports 4 }
<eihrul> k
<liar> now it works
<liar> with yer new structures.c file
<liar> damn man, we are getting close here :)
<eihrul> prints out nr_strucs fine for me
<liar> i said it works now that i used yer newest structures.c
<liar> YA
<liar> i have it printing the structures in the structure tab now
03:20pm
<eihrul> cool
<AlonzoTG> =\
<liar> now to make it open a window when i double click on one
<AlonzoTG> DvOrAk SuCkS
<liar> so do u
<liar> if i want to print 8 hex digits do i do %8X ?
<eihrul> try %0X
<liar> 0?
<eihrul> but that won't bounds check
<eihrul> it'll just 0 pad
<AlonzoTG> what yam Eye sayin?
<AlonzoTG> I love Dvorak...
<AlonzoTG> =\
<AlonzoTG> U suck
<eihrul> but actually...  %.8x should work too
<liar> %0X didnt do anything
<liar> .8 worked
<liar> wonder where lar1 is
<liar> i got a perfect job for him :)
<liar> i'll let him figure out howto resize the window without scaling it
03:30pm
<eihrul> you have to scale it
03:40pm
<liar> well if i resize the window it will squish the top half
<liar> and if i use the scale function it crashes and gives me some X error code
<liar> and now that i added double click to bfe for the structure list im getting some damn X error code
<liar> do u know howto read X errors?
<eihrul> noperz
<liar> crap
<liar> crap
03:50pm
<liar> hey can u run this thru whatever to find out where its crashing?
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<liar> how do u use gdb?
<eihrul> compile your BFE with the -g flag
<eihrul> the go in gdb
<eihrul> file bfe_filename_here
<eihrul> then hit run...
<eihrul> when it crashes, 'bt' will give a backtrace
<eihrul> or you can do ctrl-c to just stop execution of program
<eihrul> er type 'run' that is :)
<liar> (xxgdb) bt
<liar> No stack.
<eihrul> it's not crashing
<eihrul> it's exiting normally
<eihrul> you can't do a backtrace unless it crashed 
<liar> ugh
<liar> so how do i find out where that x error is happening?
<eihrul> says integer parameter out of range in XCreateGlyphCursor
<eihrul> so some xforms call is changing the cursor evilly
<liar> ugh
04:00pm
<liar> great
<liar> its dying in fl_do_forms()
<eihrul> you're prolly giving it bad params somewhere
<eihrul> would doubt it being bugs in xforms itself
<liar> i added @b's to each list line to make them bold
<liar> and i added the structure list callback but i commented that out
<eihrul> what happens when you remove those?
<liar> well there is like 50 of them in 3 files i didnt want to remove em :)
<eihrul> use sed :)
<liar> but if u set a breakpoint right before fl_do_forms u will see that everything shows up as bold
<liar> so they cant be the problem
<eihrul> sed -e 's/@b//g' < in.file > out.file
<eihrul> gr....
<eihrul> you really need to make your code work in gcc :)
04:10pm
<liar> xforms needs g++
<eihrul> why?
<liar> uhh
<liar> sed -e 's/@b//g' < updates.c > updates.c
<liar> that erased my file
<eihrul> yes...
<eihrul> it writes to the file as it's reading it
<eihrul> you have to make it write to a temporary
<eihrul> there, i got BFE to compile in gcc
<liar> how?
<liar> well i removed all the @b's and still crashed
<eihrul> i just removed all your C++isms
<eihrul> the only thing preventing it from using gcc were those :)
<liar> wht do i have that is C++?
<eihrul> for (int var...)
<eihrul> you can't do that in C
<liar> really?
<eihrul> all arguments must also have names
<eihrul> unless in prototypes
<liar> i named all my args
<liar> oh
<liar> maybe not
<eihrul> what changes did you make other than the @b's?
<liar> i dont think i changed anything else
<eihrul> you must've
<liar> im looking
<eihrul> and this is why we have CVS...
04:20pm
<liar> bleh
<eihrul> or ChangeLog's, anyway
<eihrul> the CVS alternative
04:30pm
<liar> ugh
<liar> i dont see anything that i changed
<liar> found it
<liar> in globals.h i added FL_FORM *window; to mem_struct
04:40pm
<eihrul> could be it :)
<liar> that was it
<eihrul> so does it work now?
<liar> yes
<liar> andi converted to gcc for u :)
<eihrul> did you put it on your page?
<liar> no
<eihrul> send it here then
<liar> ohhhhh
<liar> i see the proble
<eihrul> what is it?
<liar> i had FL_FORM window; instead of FL_FORM *window;
<eihrul> my C++ compilre noticed that
<liar> and u didnt tell me?
<liar> g++ didnt tell me about it
<eihrul> what versoin you using?
<liar> egcs-2.91.66
<eihrul> i'm using 2.95
<liar> bah
<eihrul> i can see the structures window...
<eihrul> but how do i make it shows things now? :)
<liar> what?
04:50pm
<liar> it doesnt popup any windows
<eihrul> should it?
<liar> <eihrul> i can see the structures window...
<eihrul> rrr, n'm
<liar> in like 1 minute i will have it opening windows
05:00pm
<liar> YES
<liar> bfe has gone multi-windowed
<liar> hey can u write some code in show_memory() to allocate a new memwin_struct in memory_windows[]?
<eihrul> not right now... i gotta go to some stupid dinner at my grandparents (it's jewish new-year or some-such nonsense)
<liar> heh
<liar> k
<liar> well i should hopefully have it displaying structures when u get back
<eihrul> aye
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<_ruiner_> greetings all
<liar> hola
<liar> _ruiner_: u got a C compiler for windows?
06:20pm
<_ruiner_> yeah
<liar> nm xforms doesnt work on windows
<liar> u need to get linux man
<liar> bfe kicks butt
<_ruiner_> I need to figure out how I'm gonna keep my mom from selling the house, then I'll worry about getting linux
<liar> have u seen bfe?
<_ruiner_> nope
<liar> http://www.qzx.com/bfe/
<liar> eihrul and i are writing it
<liar> do u know what bochs is?
<_ruiner_> looks like an asm debugger
<liar> bochs?
<abi> bochs is a PC emulator at http://www.bochs.com that runs on win32, un*x, beos, mac, os/2 and amiga
<liar> bfe is a graphical frontend for bochs
<_ruiner_> great
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<_ruiner_> anyhow, I'm pissed off, I think I should go before I break something
<_ruiner_> later
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06:30pm
<Kaufmann> Dammit. Maybe I'm just too old already for this Internet crap.
<liar> hey kaufmann
<liar> Kaufmann: do u use bochs?
<Kaufmann> Or maybe I'm just going ga-ga.
<Kaufmann> So I'm minding my own business, reading the new messages in the RPG newsgroup (very low bandwidth usage) at the local server... when I see ten or so spam messages, each containing a screenshot of a Japanese erotic computer game, all the messages by the same jerk, who turns out to have decided that he owns the entire fucking Net.
<Kaufmann> liar, what's that?
<liar> bochs
<liar> bochs?
<abi> well, bochs is a PC emulator at http://www.bochs.com that runs on win32, un*x, beos, mac, os/2 and amiga
>>> liar [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] requested PING 937791400 293649 from #tunes
<Kaufmann> Anyway, so I bitch about it, and this kid starts to rant off about how he could give a damn about the rest of the users, about being allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants with his computer, including posting bandwidth-wasting messages and HTML mail, and me and my 9600 bps modem going to fuck myself or something or other.
<Kaufmann> Oh, I see.
<Kaufmann> No, I don't use it.
<Kaufmann> Is anyone listening to this rant?
<liar> are u lagged?
<liar> === CTCP PING reply from Kaufmann : 125.653 seconds
<Kaufmann> Rather likely
06:40pm
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<liar> much better lag time
<Kaufmann> Anyhoo, can I go back to bitching now?
<liar> heh
<liar> u can try but it aint gonna make the guy turn up dead any faster :)
<Kaufmann> Oh yes, for that, do you think a shotgun will do?
<liar> and his address
07:00pm
<Kaufmann> That won't be a problem... just a matter of IP tracing
<liar> his physical address not computer address
<Kaufmann> Given his IP, I can hack his ISP's server and access their account DB.
07:10pm
<liar> well if u feel u can hack his isp then go get him
<Kaufmann> Of course, I won't actually /do/ it.
<liar> i hate ppl that wont finish the job :)
<liar> thats why the net is the way it is today, too many spineless cowards
<Kaufmann> :)
07:20pm
<liar> damn, bfe kicks ass
<Kaufmann> What's bfe?
<abi> i heard bfe was lookin good man
07:30pm
<liar> http://www.qzx.com/bfe/
<liar> abi: no, bfe is a graphical frontend for bochs developed by liar and eihrul, http://www.qzx.com/bfe/
<abi> okay, liar.
<liar> bochs has a nice debugger so we can debug our OSes on an emulated 386 PC
<liar> if u wanns see register contents u have to type a command, if u want to see the contents of memory structures in yer OS u have to tell bochs to dump that memory, etc..
<liar> bfe will do all that automatically
<liar> u define yer structures in a .bferc file and bfe will do the rest
07:40pm
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<liar> Zhivago: have u seen bfe?
07:50pm
<liar> oh nevermind yer using lisp
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<liar> hey man
<eihrul> hey
<liar> bfe is looking real good
08:00pm
<liar> it displays the structure contents
<liar> it just doesnt read the data from bochs yet
<liar> gotta figure out how im gonna do that
<eihrul> cool
<eihrul> your buttons get messed up when you resize the windows though :)
<eihrul> there are times when i wish there were 9 general purpose registers...
<liar> i know
<eihrul> 8 is way too little
<liar> thats in the TODO file
<eihrul> rarely do i need 10 registers...
<liar> hahaha
<eihrul> but i can always find a use for a 9th
<eihrul> i want my eex!
<liar> efx
<liar> that would be a kewl register
<eihrul> indeed
<liar> any idea how i should read the data for structures?
<liar> update.c:update_structure()
<eihrul> can't bochs just dump the values of certain memory locations?
<liar> ya
<liar> ah i think i know how
<eihrul> i'm just pondering how to do memory mapping now with a total of 3-4 registers
<eihrul> i might even have to use, knuth forbid, the stack! :(
<liar> heh
08:10pm
<liar> i have to use the stack in many functions in brix :(
<eihrul> i mean besides just saving the registers i'm using
<liar> ya i know
<eihrul> ack
<eihrul> that doth suck indeed
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08:20pm
<liar> so far so good
<liar> crap
08:30pm
<liar> YES
<liar> structures are working
<liar> as long as the size of each value is 1,2,4 or 8 bytes
08:40pm
<Zhivago> re
<Zhivago> hey ther4e's talking :)
<Zhivago> what's bfe?
<abi> bfe is a graphical frontend for bochs developed by liar and eihrul, http://www.qzx.com/bfe/
<Zhivago> oh, fair enough
<Zhivago> hmm, I have to say that I am immensely greatful for retro :)
08:50pm
<Zhivago> well, I'm off to the office, bbl
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<liar> welcome
<Pooh> hi
<Pooh> what is tunes?
<abi> tunes is http://www.tunes.org, a free reflective computing system or for programming languages what the internet is to networks or like flypaper for hallucinogenic programmers or discombobulated or obnubilated
<Pooh> what is tunes?
<abi> tunes is probably http://www.tunes.org, a free reflective computing system or for programming languages what the internet is to networks or like flypaper for hallucinogenic programmers or discombobulated or obnubilated
<Pooh> a bot, ok :)
<liar> :)
<liar> a smart bot
<Pooh> how can i get some beer?
<Pooh> not smart enough for me
<liar> heh
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<liar> hey
<lar1> Hey!
<lar1> I got it to work
<liar> bfe has come a long way
<lar1> Cool, I got yer quit confirmation thing
<liar> kewl
<lar1> lemme send er over
10:00pm
<lar1> How do I make a tarball of 3 files?
<liar> tar zcvf tarfile file1 file2 file3
<lar1> I marked whatever I changed with a -- jon
<lar1> That way you can find it easy
<liar> k
<liar> btw when u use the 'z' option with tar u need to name it tar.gz or tgz
<liar> want another project?
<liar> job
10:10pm
<lar1> Ok
<lar1> Yes
<liar> when the hide button is pressed it resizes the window to make the registers go away
<lar1> What hide button?
<liar> but it causes the top half to squish from the scaling
<liar> under quit
<lar1> Hmm, hide is suppossed to hide the entire window?
<liar> also when u open structure or memory dump windows they are resizable but get screwed up when u resize them
<liar> no hide makes it scroll up so the registers are hidden
<lar1> ok
<lar1> WOW!  Bfe is lookn good!
<lar1> Hmm, I see what you mean by the squishing
<liar> xforms has functions to fix that
<lar1> It just crashed when I clicked refresh
<liar> but from the few seconds i looked at them i couldnt understand jack
<liar> refresh?
<lar1> Refresh all
<liar> ohhh
<liar> crap
<lar1> [root@localhost bfe]# ./bfe
<lar1> In fl_freeze_form [util.c 43] Freezing NULL form.
<lar1> Segmentation fault
<liar> i can fix that real quick
<lar1> ok
<liar> it doesnt check to see if the window exists or had ever existed before writing to it
<lar1> Thats asking for trouble
10:20pm
<liar> a single code line fixed it tho
<lar1> Very cool
<lar1> I tryed to conform to the _QZ standard in the code I did... but it sure ain't my standard so it might not be exact. Hey, it works :)
<lar1> Where can I find an Xform function refrence?
<liar> what works?
<lar1> The code I wrote.  I am just babbling
<liar> oh
<liar> didnt u read the xforms manual?
<lar1> No... I didn't know there was one
<liar> http://www.westworld.com/~dau/xforms/node2.html
<lar1> I just read up on the examples real quick
<lar1> Tnx
<liar> "doing interaction" is where the resize crap is
<lar1> k
<lar1> I really like Xforms, its very nice
<liar> ya
<lar1> And that callback stuff is quite eleaant
<liar> thats why im using it
<lar1> :)
<lar1> s/eleaant/elegant
<liar> its not as bloated as gtk and it lets u manually place widgets
<liar> abi: eleaant is a word lar1 made up for his own personal amusement :)
<lar1> Heh, now I am going to have to remember eleaant
<lar1> Gtk doesn't let you manually place?
<liar> nope
<liar> brb
<lar1> k
10:30pm
<liar> back
<lar1> ok
<liar> nice quit box
<lar1> Thanks :)
<liar> i like
<lar1> I was debating whether or not to bold the Do you want to quit? but decided not too.  Mostly because I was too tired ;)
<liar> ya, im gonna bold em
<lar1> Ok
<liar> ok now to figure out why it segfaults when i close a memory window
10:40pm
<lar1> Umgh, thats a nasty bug
<lar1> YES!! Fetchmail is working again!
<lar1> 1671 messages... thats what I get for not checking that account for a few months!
<lar1> how would I write a script to get the pid of pppd and then kill it?
<liar> kill `ps x|fgrep "/usr/sbin/pppd lock"|fgrep -v "fgrep"|awk '{print $1}'`
10:50pm
<lar1> How big is an octet?
<liar> ah i found the close bug
<lar1> Yay!
<lar1> Do you know how big an octet is?
<liar> no
<liar> 8 something
<liar> 8 et's?
<lar1> Stupid fetchmail is not dectriptive
<lar1> heh
<liar> whats the problem
<lar1> Oh, I'm just wondering what the hell an octet is... and it don't tell me
<lar1> When I got that mail of a million of those oct things it took a while... mabye octet = byte?  It would make sense
11:00pm
<lar1> Suddenlly I have an urge to download BRiX and run it in bfe
<liar> didnt i give u brix?
<lar1> Thank you much!
<liar> crap
<lar1> wha?
<liar> atoi() does convert 0x12376
<lar1> Uhh, what?
<liar> the 0x screws it up
<lar1> Whats atoi?
<liar> ascii to int
<lar1> Ohh
<liar> converts a string to number
<lar1> Strip the 0x then
<liar> there we go, strtol will do any base
<lar1> :)
<lar1> Why reinvent the wheel?
<lar1> Does Bochs really emulate at 7Mhz... I find it hard to belive people have reproted win 95 working on it if it can only interpet that slowly
11:10pm
<liar> what cpu do u have?
<lar1> p233mmx
<liar> weird
<liar> bochs does change speed much
<lar1> You get 9Mhz on yours, right?
<liar> 7
<lar1> Wow
<lar1> Thats weird
<lar1> Perhaps Bochs doesn't implement whatever you use to count speed very well
<liar> i just do a count++ loop for 1/18.2 of a second
<liar> then i divide it by the number of cycles it takes those instructions to execute
<lar1> But the timer that lets you know when 1/18.2 second has passed could be screwy
<liar> maybe
11:20pm
<liar> damn i really should goto bed but im so close to finishing the memory dump
<lar1> Heh
<lar1> I should go to bed
<lar1> I'll leave shortly
<liar> night
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<lar1> Ok, night all
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